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Bobby2 · May 08, 2009, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Tactics has [charge]

[charge][frenzy] ftw

Revelations · May 08, 2009, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

The ONLY thing that Tactics has ever had going for it, imho, is the Summit Warlord Shield. Period.

This and ["Charge"] were/are the only reason tactics was ever considered useful to me.

Hugh Manatee · May 08, 2009, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Hell, ****it, every shield out there should be available to all warrior and paragon atts, like if you had a strength req aureate aegis, you'd never take the dam thing off. The equine, the enameled, the signet, the warlord, the summit shield, the Tribal effigy, the amethyst, the vabbian defender, bastion and tower shields, hell even the crud shield....

weak....

what if they downed the armor loss to -20, added "and remove 1-3 conditions" and toned the healing amount slightly to heal sig? Remember how lions comfort used to work? it was a certain amount + some for every point invested in tactics, what if they did that, but backwards like for stances, kinda like make strength "spawning power" for "warrior" stances(like how spawning makes weapon spells last longer, kind of a round about buff that keeps the viable for other classes without abusing them). Also some of the tactics stuff just needs to be stronger, give thrill of victory back it's healing, give watch yourself and shields up a "ends after 10 hits plus 1 hit for every point in strength", and give the stances gain 10 armor +1 for each point in strength, to keep other classes from abusing it.

Sentinel's insigs are also a reason to invest heavily into str. Maybe make it require 13 strength or 11 tactics...

Paul Dawg · May 08, 2009, 09:08 PM // 21:08

I have to agree with all the people who are saying that Tactics is crap. But it does have some limited usefulness for secondary warriors. Remember the Mo/W's you'd see everywhere with [shield stance]?

Back then · May 08, 2009, 11:57 PM // 23:57

If they double'd the duration on most of the tactics stances, changed healing signet to be -20 armor while casting, and re-worked some of the shouts, it would be really useful again. Chances of this happening are almost 0 though.

(I'm talking mainly about pve)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

Tactics has ["Charge!"]

[Charge!][Frenzy] ftw

You get that out of a single skill in strength, and it can be kept up indefinitely.

Winterclaw · May 09, 2009, 12:08 AM // 00:08

The duration of tactics stances were nerfed specifically because non-warriors were abusing them in PvP. Do a search on stance monks.

_Nihilist_ · May 09, 2009, 01:00 AM // 01:00

This includes Turret Rangers abusing [Flail] (yes, it's a Strength-based IAS, Turrets were still owning the crap out of stuff with 5sec of +33% ias and no investment). But yeah, it was the abuse of Tactics defensive stances that got the Tactics ones Nerf-batted.

Bobby2 · May 09, 2009, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back then

You get that out of a single skill in strength, and it can be kept up indefinitely.

What skill would that be?

ac0okiemonst3r · May 09, 2009, 01:45 AM // 01:45

well im just gonna go with my original thought of the title of this thread lol. tactics turned to crap when 2 words became well known: "meta" and "wiki"

Back then · May 09, 2009, 03:04 AM // 03:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

The duration of tactics stances were nerfed specifically because non-warriors were abusing them in PvP. Do a search on stance monks.

I know this, that's why I said I was talking about pve. They should buff the stuff for PvE, and maybe tweak it in pvp.

Back then · May 09, 2009, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

What skill would that be?

[primal rage]

Lux Aeterna · May 09, 2009, 03:11 AM // 03:11

[primal rage]

/thread

wilebill · May 09, 2009, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Back Then, I can remember when Prophecies first came out and the general buzz was that Strength was a waste of points. Since then, the game has evolved to make the primary warrior attribute truly primary. A good thing, IMHO.

byteme! · May 09, 2009, 03:19 AM // 03:19

Tactics was always bunk but Tactics became shittier when Anet nerfed the attribute line for PvP's sake. (way to go! /sarcasm) The PvE/PvP split didn't come soon enough.

Bowstring Badass · May 09, 2009, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Tactics turned to crap when paragons made better use of it then primary warriors.

Winterclaw · May 09, 2009, 03:31 AM // 03:31

PR can only be kept up indefinitely at 15 strength nowadays.

marmar256 · May 09, 2009, 03:34 AM // 03:34

Yeh good point winterclaw and that why we have cancle stances now days also. Why did no-one mention making crude shields for strength? I love the skin but hate tactics. The only combo i use for tactics is steady stance drunken blow and desperation blow. But even then thats not really that great. A simple WE, power attack combo beats it hands down anyways.

phoenixtech · May 09, 2009, 03:40 AM // 03:40

Was talking about it from a PVP perspective, there's no point doing e-denial in PVE.

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

[Watch Yourself!] died due to the Armor-stacking cap, the Nerf-bat that dictated that it ended after so many attacks, and the addition of [Save Yourselves!].

[Fear Me!] was great e-denial, not going to argue that, but in PvE, e-denial is just "Meh" considering you aren't going to deny enough using FM! to make a dent AoE-wise, and a Mez is going to be superior @ single-target e-denial/disruption. Plus, [Earth Shaker] is much better. Why go for AoE e-denial when you can get virtual e-denial effects by constant AoE KD, with the added benefit that AoE KD is also real damage nullification?

Diamond Aegis? Too small. Too glittery. That is in regards to my Warrior. Male. Big. Beefy. He doesn't want a Diamond Aegis, though some of the smaller female Warrs might, so why not?

Diamond Aegis (for the ladies, and mebbe the shorter guys; Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend, after all) and Summit Warlord Shield in Strength. NAO.

.HunTer · May 09, 2009, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Tactics turned into crap when they removed "Don't Believe Their Lies!"

(awesome shout)

j/k
Almost tactics skills cost 5 / 10 energy,so obvisouly the Tactics line is NOT for a warrior :P (IMO)

Paragon > Tactics.

Wish Swiftdeath · May 09, 2009, 05:32 AM // 05:32

It's always been crap but the true death of tactics was when they changed the aggro system so one tank with 5 stances/enchants can't hold all the aggro.